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The Publishing Industry—from the Reader’s Perspective, by Debbie Notkin
      #1900 - Mon May 09 2005 06:45 AM

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      #1904 - Mon May 09 2005 11:27 AM

This is a very insightful article. I'd like to read some reflections from others on this observation: "because moving pictures seem to have some innate popular advantages over static text..."

I won't even attempt to disagree, but I do wonder about new modes of fiction that aren't necessarily static--like hyperfiction.

Movies and TV won't have the image market pegged in the future. I forsee multimedia book projects.

And how do audiobooks fit in the picture?

Here's just a little anecdote about academic publishing. Michelle Bigheno's Sounding Indigenous is a recently-published ethnography about native Bolivians. As an ethnomusicologist she's studying music, but including a CD is sometimes an expense academic publishers won't go for. To compensate, Bigheno has a website affiliated with her study with photos and sound files!

That seems very SF to me...

-Derek


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      #1917 - Tue May 10 2005 03:26 PM

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So, in the terms of contemporary conventional publishing, the publisher does seem to be, to a significant extent, the reader's advocate.




There seems to be a paragraph or two missing before this statement, which is not supported or suggested by the previous text.



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Re: The Publishing Industry—from the Reader’s Perspective, by Debbie Notkin
      #1952 - Tue May 17 2005 07:07 PM

Very interesting! Multimedia book projects, and web-backed books are happening all over the place, and are definitely another factor in the equation.

Thanks!


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Re: The Publishing Industry—from the Reader’s Perspective, by Debbie Notkin
      #1967 - Sat May 21 2005 01:22 AM

"So what is the reader's interest in the arcane, profit-driven, and often bizarre world of publishing?"

The interest that I have is that I'd like to support certain editors (types and individuals) as "representatives" of my reading tastes. I'd like to feel that "my" editors are out there: scouring submissions and offering comradely support for brilliant futurists, eclectic stylists, intelligent revolutionaries, and even offbeat-but-entertaining crackpots, who're typing up stories that the authors think "ought" to be written. I'm kind of turned off by the approach to s-f writing that goes: give them the old buffola, but ring changes -- do it so well that they'll love it.

As you know, I'm rooted, longtime, in the visionary eclecticism (or crackpottedness, if you want to call it that) of science fiction: from Olaf Stapledon and Murray Leinster, A.E. Van Vogt through Phil Dick to Kornbluth & Pohl, Fritz Leiber, Robert Sheckley, R.A. Lafferty, Ursula Le Guin, James Tiptree, Joanna Russ.

"So," you might say, "Don't we have Suzy Charnas, Ted Chiang, Ken MacLeod and China Mieville, now (not to mention Gene Wolfe)? And, setting aside visionaries and revolutionaries, doesn't current s-f have great and funny storytellers -- storytellers with more cohesion in their writing styles than any of the grandmasters had thirty to fifty years ago?"

Yes. But as an s-f reader, over the past ten years, I'm finding fewer new books per month that I really want to buy and read -- while many more new s-f books per month are actually being released. One explanation for this, of course, is that I'm just old and used up, after fifty years of reading. Younger and more active minds can truly delight in the variety of the current s-f marketplace.

But, inwardly, I still feel like I'm looking, each month, for anything that might stimulate my sense of wonder. I wish s-f magazines could still buy "first rights," and publish two and three-part serials by leading s-f authors. And I wonder what my monthly s-f experience would be like if distribution channels permitted the publication and sale of more original mass-market paperbacks.

I have the subjective feeling that it's getting harder, over time, for science fiction writers to use the "ought to be written" yardstick as the primary incentive for their work. S-f may actually be better than ever, now -- as a number of people are ready to argue. But I have a strong feeling the market isn't targetting me as a consumer, the way it once did.

Maybe that's all I'm complaining about (feeling that I'm no longer the prime marketing target for s-f publishers). The conjecture about the market discouraging "ought to be written" as a primary author incentive may be old codger chauvinism. I'm not sure.


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Re: The Publishing Industry—from the Reader’s Perspective, by Debbie Notkin
      #1969 - Sat May 21 2005 09:19 PM

Very insightful article, but I (respectfully) think the real advocate for the reader is book Sellers--amazon and bookstores, etc. They honestly don't care What a reader reads so long as a book is purchased. The publisher often does care--they spend more money marketing certain books, which means particular books might be "pushed" onto me, the reader. As you pointed out, Amazon has spots for reader reveiws, rankings and things that are of interest to me--not because the author is famous for x,y or z and the publisher paid a lot for the book.

As for the question, Do I read books as much now that I am out browsing the internet? Yes, and I spend about the same amount of money on books--in fact, because I can buy a book used online, I probably read more than I used to, but spend the same amount of money. I also use the public library a lot more than I used to--opening a huge opportunity for me to read books that I wouldn't buy, but am willing to try because my taxes are already paying for the library service. When books got above a certain price point--somewhere around 6 dollars for a paperback, I started looking for alternative ways to buy the book or read it, without the expense. For most new books, I was long ago priced out of the "new" market, although I still buy a few new, mostly non-fiction.



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Re: The Publishing Industry—from the Reader’s Perspective, by Debbie Notkin
      #2017 - Tue May 31 2005 09:23 AM

Why should I spend three work-hours pay on a hardcover at B&N or amazon.com when I could buy ten hardcovers for that much at a library booksale? or perhaps twenty paperbacks? Supporting the publishers and the authors is not the responsibility of those who cannot reasonably afford to buy the latest books. Reading is.

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      #2036 - Thu Jun 02 2005 12:48 PM

No one says you should spend your hard-earned money any way but the way you want. :>) Of course sometimes you have to spend it on a new book because sometimes, you can't get the book you want any other place than B&N or amazon! Sometimes a book is just worth owning.

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Re: The Publishing Industry—from the Reader’s Perspective, by Debbie Notkin
      #2109 - Wed Jun 15 2005 04:53 PM

I have read through this column several times and I still can't find whatever point it's trying to make. It seems to touch on everything: rights, electronic publishing, Amazon, returns, etc., without having much to say about any of it. Even the title, though intriguing, doesn't give a hint of what it's driving at. I wish she would try the subject again, because I suspect she has something to say and just hasn't managed to convey it.

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