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Just Tell Me How It Ends, by Matthew Cheney
      #1859 - Mon May 02 2005 01:57 AM

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Re: Just Tell Me How It Ends, by Matthew Cheney
      #1866 - Mon May 02 2005 02:26 PM

>>It's a sobering thought that thoughout history, violence has only been considered immoral by fanatics and crackpots—most of the violence of the past has been justified by some sort of moral majority, whether via the religious morality that has propelled so many crusades, witch burnings, and sacrifices, or the political morality that has justified genocides, torture chambers, and executions.<<

I don't quite understand what you mean by this. Throughout history, plenty of violent acts have been opposed by people I wouldn't consider "fanatics" or "crackpots." Unless you think that opposing violence itself renders you into one of the above catagories? Your piece seems to be rather focused on the history of the West, in any case-- Buddhism, for example, doesn't contain any sort of end of the world apocalypse. Instead, it deals with cycles of suffering. The ending is removing yourself from the cycle that still (presumably) carries on without you. Many Eastern religions (certain strains of Buddhism, Hinduism and most particularly Jainism) strictly advocate against violence (in the Jain's case, to the point of avoiding tubers for fear of killing insects), and I don't think believing in those tenets automatically renders you a "crackpot" or a "fanatic"--although I'm sure we could find examples. If anything, those who practice the violence are far more likely to be the crackpots than those who oppose it. You can say that in a situation of state genocide/atrocity, most of us will just passively accept it, which may be true, but just because most of us will do nothing doesn't make the ones who go against the grain crazy.

Thanks for the interesting column.

Alaya


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Re: Just Tell Me How It Ends, by Matthew Cheney
      #1868 - Mon May 02 2005 04:01 PM

My intended irony is a little unclear, and you're right to pick up on that. And it is, indeed, an entirely Western perspective -- that pacifists are inevitably crackpots and fanatics because of their outsider status, their apparent naivete. The idea is slightly clearer when taken as an outgrowth of what I wrote leading up to it, but not entirely, alas. I was hoping that by keepng the irony as muted as possible, it would spark reactions against the phrasing, because, at least in the people I know, and sometimes even myself, there is a tendency to accept justifications of violence without question and to scoff at people who renounce violence as dreamers and fools.

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Re: Just Tell Me How It Ends, by Matthew Cheney
      #1931 - Thu May 12 2005 09:59 AM

John Brown was labeled a crackpot and fanatic too, wasn't he? So I guess it cuts both ways. If you go against the grain to stand up to or fight a great injustice, you're on the wrong side of popular (and conservative) opinion.

Thanks for the article, Cheney.

--José


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